In this extended and unfiltered conversation, Tucker Carlson, the well-known journalist, interviews Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s Foreign Minister, about the pressing challenges of our time, the dynamics of U.S.-Russia relations, and the vision of a multipolar world.
Tucker Carlson:
Minister Lavrov, thank you for sitting down with me. Let’s dive right in. The world is changing rapidly—new alliances are forming, and old ones are under strain. In your view, what is the defining characteristic of this moment in history?
Sergey Lavrov:
Thank you, Mr. Carlson. The defining characteristic is the end of unipolarity. For decades, one country dominated global politics, economics, and security structures. Now, we see a natural rebalancing. Nations like China, India, Brazil, and others are rising, and this is not something anyone can suppress indefinitely. It’s a moment of adjustment, though not without its challenges.
Tucker Carlson:
You’ve often talked about the decline of Western hegemony. Critics argue this rhetoric fuels division. Why does Russia advocate for a multipolar world, and how is that better for global stability?
Sergey Lavrov:
A multipolar world is not about undermining any one country—it’s about fairness and shared responsibility. When decisions are made by a few, as we see in Western-centric systems, it leads to imbalances. A multipolar order ensures that no nation or group of nations dictates terms to everyone else. This isn’t divisive; it’s inclusive. Nations should have equal voices, whether they’re large economies or smaller developing countries.
Tucker Carlson:
Many Americans see NATO as a defensive alliance, yet Russia views it as a threat. How do you reconcile these perspectives?
Sergey Lavrov:
The question is defensive for whom? NATO’s expansion was justified by the West as a means of securing peace in Europe. But the reality is different. Since its creation, NATO has acted as an offensive force in regions far removed from Europe—Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan. When NATO expands to our borders, ignoring decades of Russian concerns, how can we see it as anything but a threat? Security must be mutual, not one-sided.
Tucker Carlson:
Turning to Ukraine, this conflict has captured global attention and caused immense suffering. How does Russia see a path forward? Is a negotiated peace still possible?
Sergey Lavrov:
A negotiated peace is not only possible—it is essential. But for peace to be lasting, it must address the root causes of the conflict. The West has been providing weapons to Ukraine while ignoring agreements like the Minsk Accords. Russia is ready to engage in meaningful dialogue, but it takes two to tango. The other side must be equally committed to resolving this crisis diplomatically.
Tucker Carlson:
There’s significant debate about NATO’s role in Ukraine. Some argue NATO expansion provoked Russia, while others see it as a necessary response to Russian aggression. What’s your take?
Sergey Lavrov:
Let’s be clear: NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe didn’t start with Ukraine. This has been a long-standing strategy despite promises to the contrary after the Cold War. Russia isn’t against sovereign nations choosing alliances—but when these alliances threaten our security and are accompanied by military buildup at our borders, it’s a red line.
Tucker Carlson:
You’ve mentioned the Global South as a growing focus for Russia. What role does this region play in the multipolar world you envision?
Sergey Lavrov:
The Global South is central to a multipolar world. Countries in Africa, Latin America, and Asia have long been sidelined by Western-centric systems. Russia supports their aspirations for greater representation in global institutions like the United Nations. We’re building partnerships based on mutual respect and economic cooperation—not on imposing conditions.
Tucker Carlson:
Sanctions have been a significant tool used against Russia. Have they been effective in achieving the West’s objectives?
Sergey Lavrov:
Sanctions harm everyone, not just their intended targets. They disrupt global markets, worsen inflation, and deepen energy and food crises. For Russia, they’ve accelerated our shift toward self-reliance and strengthened ties with non-Western nations. In the long run, sanctions weaken trust in the global financial system that the West created.
Tucker Carlson:
One final question on Ukraine before we move on. There’s been much discussion about the role of energy in this conflict, particularly Europe’s reliance on Russian gas. Has this dynamic shifted Russia’s energy strategy?
Sergey Lavrov:
Energy is a key geopolitical issue, but it should never be weaponized. Europe’s decision to reduce its reliance on Russian gas is a political choice, not an economic necessity. Russia is redirecting its energy exports to Asia and other markets. At the same time, we remain open to restoring energy cooperation with Europe if pragmatic policies return.
Tucker Carlson:
On a lighter note, Minister Lavrov, you’ve been a diplomat for decades. What advice would you give to young diplomats who aspire to navigate the complexities of today’s world?
Sergey Lavrov:
Diplomacy requires patience, empathy, and a deep understanding of history. The most important skill is the ability to listen—not just to what’s being said, but to what’s left unsaid. And never lose sight of the ultimate goal: peace and mutual respect among nations.
Tucker Carlson:
Before we wrap up, what would you say to the American people, many of whom see Russia as an adversary?
Sergey Lavrov:
I would say that Russia is not your enemy. Our histories have periods of great cooperation—think of our alliance during World War II. The challenges we face today—climate change, global health, terrorism—demand collaboration, not confrontation. Let’s work together for a better future.
Let me know if you’d like to add anything else!
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